Beginnings - June 2008


This web log was set up in order to share family tree research with family members, and for family members to post comments, photos, and share their own stories about our antecedents.

It has been prompted by a very pleasant trip to Comrie, Perthshire, in June 2008 when many members of the Hutton and Keay families gathered to say farewell to Uncle Davey.

The name Keay

Origins of the name are not clear! The following is quoted from a British magazine:

Kaye, variations Kay, Keay, Key.
I'm from the line of Keay. Keay is pronounced like the letter 'K' - so many think it would have the same derivation as Kay, Kaye.

The main source of this name is from the occupation of someone who either made keys, or held the ceremonial office of a key bearer. (Old English caeg - key)

At the going down of the Sun...

{You may notice that this image's quality has been much improved. This is great news, as it seems to be the only photograph remaining of David. Would love to hear from anyone with other photos, or indeed a photo of any of his siblings!}

A remembrance book of all the War Dead of Comrie (Perthshire) from the Great War has an entry for Private David Keay, my great-grandfather.

Military Records, WW I

Note these are courtesy of Ancestry.com, when they had open access to these records.

Searched records for Keays in Perth - no likely-looking entries yet for David or William Keay.
Also searched for our DLI soldier, Thos Fitzpatrick.
(Note that a huge number of records were destroyed by bomb damage in WW II. The records detailed below have lots of singed bits, if you view an image of the originals - particularly Alex's)
Help from this site here on researching these records, and interpreting the cards.

Keay family in Perth

Here is a story of a fairly large family which has seemed to (almost!) disappear. You'll see what I mean.

James Keay, 1875 -1895

I recently made contact with a former Perth resident, Susan, who is descended from William Keay (younger brother of our John Keay, 1850-1905).

She has been very kind in passing on some BMD certificates to me - 2 of which I'll go into in later posts, but first here I'll tell you about the earliest one...
We knew only a little of James Keay (son of John & Mary Keay, and brother to our David Keay 1886-1918) from our family history passed down. The main thing we knew about him was simply and tragically that he had died in a rowing accident on the Tay, aged only 20.

Sisters leaving Perth

If you remember, John & Mary Keay had several children from 1874 to 1888. They settled in Perth. If you need to start from the beginning, go back & read this page first.

Three of their sons were killed in action in WW I, their eldest son was killed in a rowing accident in 1895, and their three daughters all emigrated. So this post is about the daughters; Annie and Isobel Keay. If you want to skip all the "ifs & buts" and hop to what I can be fairly certain about...just scroll down to the end of this post.

But for information about Margaret Keay, the middle daughter, go to this post.

Margaret Keay leaves Perth

MARGARET KEAY (born ~1878)

Margaret was a daughter of John & Mary Keay, of Perth. (More about her parents here, and more about her sisters here.)

The middle sister, Margaret Keay was born in Kirkcaldy. She was certainly living with her parents in Perth in 1891.

We knew that she went to America and we knew that she married -

Keay & Hodge Solicitors in Blairgowrie, Perthshire

I came across a note about this firm of solicitors, though I don't know if there's a family link.
The WW I casualty James Keay was a solicitor in Edinburgh.  More info on David Keay, the solicitor in Edinburgh from various Edinburgh Gazette articles - the earliest being 1855 when David Keay is described as a writer in Perth, but then as a solicitor from 1858 until 1879.
His offices were at 37, George St., Perth.

In the year 1906 the firm developed an idea about a Berry-pickers Tin City - described in this article - which I thought was interesting!


Whilst rootling on that site I also found a reference to Robert Keay the Silversmiths - I have seen other references to these gents (Uncle & Nephew), but again - no idea if there's a family link. They worked in Perth up till around 1865.
Edinburgh gazette article here from 1856 about the death of Robert Keay Jr, jeweller.

You may know of a current Keay silversmith who has a workshop in Scotland. And while we are looking at the arts, what about Cath Keay?...(see pages here, and here), or Claire Keay ...(here).

Also on Dyers in Perth - this one is about Pullar's Works, 1917.

Finally, an article on the history of trams in Perth.

James Keay - remembered at Thiepval

When we called in to look up William Keay (our David's brother) at the Thiepval Memorial on the Somme, we also found the name James Keay engraved on another Face (actually 6D / 7D) of the Memorial.

The database has a photograph of young James, who died in November 1916, aged just 31. He was a Private in the Royal Scots. He was also remembered on the War Memorial of Tibbermore Parish Church.

Parents of John Keay, Perth

Under Construction

In a previous post we saw details on John Keay's death certificate (1905) in which his parents are named as James Keay (Manufacturer) and Margaret Keay, nee Caw.


In this post I'm beginning to set out information about James & Margaret Keay who lived in Perth.

James Keay was born in Perth on Boxing Day, 1823 and was baptised in Perth on the 4th January 1824. He was recorded as a KAY.

William Barclay Keay


This image of a gravestone at Wellshill, Perth was taken when I went to see the grave of my direct ancestors. It was the neighbouring plot, which made us wonder if they were a closely related family.




Burke's Commoners

That's right. Not Burke's Peerage, but Burke's Commoners.

The following text is from "Burke's Commoners, Genealogical and Heraldic History of The Commoners of Great Britain And Ireland Enjoying Territorial Possessions or High Official Rank: But Uninvested With Heritable Honours." - published in 1837-8. I first searched the text on Ancestry, but it can also be viewed here through Google Books.

A Virtual daytrip to Fife


Pack your sandwiches, sunscreen & maybe some binoculars

Just photos!

Many thanks to David for those great old family photos which he has scanned, and sent round the family! I've posted them here so that we can sort out exactly who is who.

More great photos

Thanks again to David who has all of his Dad's old photos and has been great at scanning them to send out!

Don't forget, if you want to see these images more clearly - they are a bit small - you just click on the image and it will open up to fill the screen. Then use the 'back' button on your navigation bar to return to the text.













Janet & Bill Keay (my grandparents) on their wedding day.

Just Charles for September 22nd 2008

September 22nd 2008

This entry on the blog has been scheduled to coincide with Dad's birthday.
He was born in 1950 in Comrie and died in 2005 in Hartlepool.

He had a wicked sense of humour, a great work ethic, and lived a very varied life. He had two children (myself & my brother) with his first wife, and then was stepdad to Jenny with his later partner. He was also a grandad to two young bairns.
We all miss him, and the shock of losing him when he was only 54 was sharply felt.




Charles' Graduation, Hull University - with Janet & Bill Keay

Stephen, Charles and Lisa, Caerphilly, 1974/5?



Taking a quick coffee break, Newport.


Here is the text of a poem I read out on the day we gathered to plant a cherry tree in memory of Dad. It's always seemed important to me to remember the good bits (rather than the end of Dad's life) and that's what this poem says to me.

When I'm gone

When I come to the end of my journey

And I travel my last weary mile,

Just forget if you can,
that I ever frowned

And remember only the smile.

Forget unkind words I have spoken;
Remember some good I have done.

Forget that I ever had heartache

And remember I've had loads of fun.


Forget that I've stumbled and blundered

And sometimes fell by the way.

Remember I have fought some hard battles

And won, ere the close of the day.


Then forget to grieve for my going,

I would not have you sad for a day,

But in summer just gather some flowers

And remember the place where I lay,


And come in the shade of evening
When the sun paints the sky in the west

Stand for a few moments beside me

And remember only my best.


(c) Mrs. Lyman Hancock


It's getting easier to remember
Much love to all,
Lisa

Grandad's Date Loaf

Time for a few recipes as we begin to think about Christmas.

Sorry that all these measurements are in Victorian; if you really can't convert 'em (what do they teach kids in schools these days, mutter, mutter), then try this link.

My Grandad Keay first - as he & his fathers were bakers it only seems right.

Double Trouble

Jane Clark, Grannie Hutton

Jane Clark is my Great Grandmother, who married (1910 in Crieff) the baker David Keay of Perth. They had three boys in Comrie, Perthshire before David died in France during WWI. Then in 1922 Jane Keay remarried to Charlie Hutton, which is why she is now remembered as Grannie Hutton. Jane & Charlie had two girls (and a baby boy who died as an infant) - more about the Hutton family in this post.

Now for some more information about Jane Clark and her family.

Clark family photos from Crieff, 2010

These photos relate to the Clark family in Crieff.  For more information, see this earlier post.


The gravestone in Crieff graveyard, of William Clark (Baker) and his wife Jane McKeith. Erected by their children.

Can anyone help me decipher this writing?!

Where are we on the tree, here?

My father's father's mother was Jane Clark, of Crieff (1890-1954) - she married the baker David Keay of Perth, and was later known as Grannie Hutton. Her parents were William Clark & Jane Clark (nee McKeith).

Well, William & Jane married in Crieff in 1881, and I have a copy of their marriage certificate. {As always, happy to pass a copy on to anyone who needs it.} But the writing is very unclear - I have reproduced a section here & I wonder if you could puzzle over it with me? In the following text, I have written the particularly unclear part in red. This page (linked here) aims to help us understand handwriting on census returns, but it didn't really help me in this case.

The couple were married in March 1881, by the forms of the United Presbyterian Church of Scotland, in Crieff, Perthshire.
William was aged 20, a Journeyman Baker, living at Milnab St., Crieff {that fits, as it is the address known from the 1871 Census of Wiliam's father's household}. A Journeyman is partway between an Apprentice, and a Master. In other words he was fully trained and employed for a daily wage, but not yet working for himself or employing others.

His father was David Clark, but for his occupation I'm stuck - it can only look like 'Scavenger' to me. The 'S' is formed in many different ways by this Registrar on the page. If it's not an 'S', then it surely must be an 'L', which doesn't work at all for me. {Here's an image of that part - William's parents first, then Jane's parents below them.}
Thanks now to Sheila who has agreed with me that it must be 'Scavenger' - which she tells me was a 'scaffie', or street cleaner.

In earlier records he's been a Weaver, then a Mason Labourer. From what we know already from Census returns, he was aged 40 in 1871 - so he'll be aged 50 at the time of William's marriage.
{I'll look him up in the 1881 census for Crieff - he was in a separate household to his son by then, so I haven't seen him yet.}
William's mother was Janet Clark (M.S. McCulloch) - it's not clear here, but I've seen her name on another source where it was much clearer.

As for Jane, she was aged 21, a Furniture Polisher by trade, living at Croftnappoch ??, Crieff. In modern-day Crieff, there is a Croftnappoch Place, so actually that seems right.
Her father is William McKeith, a Labourer in Chemical Works. Her mother is Janet McKeith (M.S. Shaw).
Witnesses were Alexander Livingstone and Janet McKeith.

(I have since then searched the marriage records for Janet Shaw & William McKeith, but found no records yet.)
Searching the Crieff Census, though, gave me some more info on Jane's parents. Jane McKeith was aged 11 in 1871 - she was living at Croftnappoch, Crieff with her father William McKeith (Plasterer's Labourer; born ~1817 in Crieff) and Janet McKeith (born ~1819 in Crieff). They had 5 children including our Jane in the year 1871. The eldest Daniel was a Journeyman Joiner.

In 1861, there were some differences in the records - Jane was named as Jean: she was the baby of 6 children in the household. Her mother Janet is recorded as born in Moyhall, Inverness-shire, rather than Crieff. Her father William was a Cotton Weaver & they lived on High St., Crieff. Their eldest then was a child of 12, Alison, who was a domestic servant already.
{I've had no luck yet in finding William any earlier than 1861. For Janet Shaw, the best match of hundreds is a lass in her mother's house in Dores, Inverness in 1841. Her mother was also Janet Shaw, born ~1791 in Inverness, a Cotter.}
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